{"id":41698,"date":"2013-12-29T04:25:02","date_gmt":"2013-12-29T08:55:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/?p=41698"},"modified":"2014-08-26T07:41:18","modified_gmt":"2014-08-26T12:11:18","slug":"proposito-de-venezuelans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/2013\/12\/29\/proposito-de-venezuelans\/","title":{"rendered":"A prop\u00f3sito de The Venezuelans"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"41714\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/2013\/12\/29\/proposito-de-venezuelans\/untitled-8\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png?fit=938%2C213&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"938,213\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Untitled\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png?fit=696%2C158&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"size-full wp-image-41714 aligncenter\" alt=\"Untitled\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png?resize=696%2C158\" width=\"696\" height=\"158\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png?w=938&amp;ssl=1 938w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png?resize=300%2C68&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png?resize=320%2C72&amp;ssl=1 320w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png?resize=145%2C32&amp;ssl=1 145w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png?resize=495%2C112&amp;ssl=1 495w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Untitled1.png?resize=670%2C152&amp;ssl=1 670w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 696px) 100vw, 696px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Mi comentario (en ingles) en respuesta a <a href=\"http:\/\/martineretting.wordpress.com\/2013\/12\/27\/the-venezuelans\/\">esta<\/a> entrada de blog ya que nunca fue publicado:<\/p>\n<p>After reading this post a couple of times, and the comments, I only feel a mixture of sadness and anger.<\/p>\n<p>Let me be clear: I think the blogger has written it out of good will and by and large she has been very objective. I don\u2019t expect her to know the\u00a0intricacies of Venezuelan politics neither I expect her to know the dark side of things. That Venezuelans are warm and loving people, are they really?<\/p>\n<p>Let me explain where I am coming from and the main critic to this article. There is nothing here, absolutely nothing, that you could say it is something intrinsic to the Venezuelans. \u201cThis is a Venezuelan trait\u201d for instance. All what I\u2019m seeing here is the by-product of the lack of a State, a Government and the Rule of Law. The lack of a functional society and its institutions. There is nothing to feel proud about it, nothing to celebrate, unless you have a brother, or a sister, or a relative, which is completely paralysed from head to toe, in a wheel chair, but with a massive smile in the face simply because how the muscular dystrophy worked out. So the equivalent will be that you feel proud about this relative because \u201cYES he or she is f\u2019 up but look his\/her beautiful smile in his\/her face. Isn\u2019t it wonderful?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Stephen Hawking is always with a smile in his face by the way. Wonder if his enjoying the ride.<\/p>\n<p>So my critic is about not going to the next stage of analysis and try to question not only how Venezuelans are but WHY they are like that.<\/p>\n<p>As for the comments they are only an illustration of the same thing. People feeling proud because a Norwegian likes an arepa like if it was bloody Mana falling from the skies. God move on! Or because Venezuelans are \u201chelpful\u201d because a guy in a restaurant and his fifteen headcount family had an opinion on what you should eat. That\u2019s for me is called a bloody nuisance, that\u2019s not been helpful!<\/p>\n<p>The flip side of this \u201chelpfulness\u201d is people getting their snout into every single aspect of your life. Fine if you are an average guy but if you deviate from the norm, and I mean with this the political norm for instance if you happen to be in the wrong territory, good luck for you!<\/p>\n<p>So yes this is an article written like if an alien would have come to Earth with little knowledge about sociology, anthropology and History. A bit patronising to be honest but I understand the reasons why and I\u2019m not judging the author. In any tribe or chiefdom you will find the same wonderful traits including the noise and the dancing and with probably less killings per one hundred thousand people.<\/p>\n<p>YES it\u2019s nice to have those qualities BUT only if you have already a functional state, government, democracy or whatever you call it. Of course! Call it Denmark, Scotland, I don\u2019t know Canada but I know they have a socialist state. There aren\u2019t many countries in the world that happily combine a social safety net and the warmth of their people. Normally they are inversely correlated hence the shock for you coming from Norway; one of the countries with one of the best welfare states in the world. That people are distant and a have huge respect for their space, well that\u2019s what I would expect!<\/p>\n<p>Am I too ANAL here? Too picky? A little bit of an asshole? Absolutely. Mala leche es lo que nos hace falta!<\/p>\n<p>I have no hope in this country. That people living there has this or that opinion fine, but \u201cexpats\u201d living abroad after God knows how many years feel somehow proud about it&#8230; Where are they living? In a Venezuelan ghetto listening regueton and eating arepas three times a day?<\/p>\n<p>So no I don\u2019t feel proud about adaptations, because these is what they are. Adaptations to chaos, frustrations, lack of the rule of law, lack of a State, lack of a society, etc, etc. I either don\u2019t feel proud about natural accidents like a mountain there, or a river here. The same friendly\u2013helpful\u2013warm and loving\u2013 funny and laughing\u2013disorganised\u2013loud\u2013food loving\u2013not very punctual\u2013patient\u2013party goers\u2013dancing lovers\u2013rule breakers- talkative and superstitious (nice euphemism to call us believers), among other things, I can guarantee, will also feel very proud about a natural accident that either them nor any human inhabitant of that country had nothing to do with it.<\/p>\n<p>So what is the celebration here?<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/patanium.wordpress.com\/<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Mi comentario (en ingles) en respuesta a esta entrada de blog ya que nunca fue publicado: After reading this post a couple of times, and the comments, I only feel a mixture of sadness and anger. Let me be clear: I think the blogger has written it out of good will and by and large [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1973,"featured_media":41699,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-41698","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-descontento"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Capture.jpg?fit=939%2C212&ssl=1","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/pfpCD-aQy","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41698","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1973"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=41698"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/41698\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/41699"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=41698"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=41698"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.panfletonegro.com\/v\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=41698"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}